Time to dive into a conversation with Dr. Tony Krohn about Holistic Healing for Mental Health and what was missing in traditional care. As a chiropractor, it became clear to him that energy, toxins, emotions, and many more things needed to be addressed for true, lasting, more profound healing.
He began to utilize Emotion Code and Body Code as a bridge between the traditional standard of care and that which started to address the root cause. This is a great conversation that you won’t want to miss!
Trina Krug [00:00:05]:
Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Quantum Energy and Healing Podcast and the Healing Through the Lens YouTube channel. I am super excited to bring to you today episode one of my new series dealing with alternative health and healing modalities. And the conversation that you are about to listen to is a very, very important, important and pivotal conversation and really kind of deals with the holistic healing side of mental health and I think it’s something that is pretty important these days especially. So let me introduce you to Dr. Tony Crone. He is a chiropractic physician and holistic healer. He utilizes chiropractic care alongside energy, work and other nutritional and lifestyle recommendations to treat his clients at the root cause. Whether it’s inability to move due to pain, deeper rooted toxins and pathogens, creating cellular dysfunction or anything and everything in between. He can work with the body and subconscious mind to spend each treatment session focusing on what the body is willing to reveal and release. The body knows exactly what it needs to heal. We just have to ask the right questions and provide the correct treatment to bring balance and healing. So without further ado, let’s dive right in. Hey Tony, thanks for joining me today.
Tony Krohn [00:01:19]:
Hey, thanks for having me.
Tony Krohn [00:01:20]:
How are you?
Trina Krug [00:01:21]:
I am amazing. I am so excited for our conversation today. This is the first of many to come on our Alternative Health and Healing series. So you are the very first one that gets to kick off this entire series. So it’s even more exciting. I love that if you wouldn’t mind, just kind of give people an idea of who you are and who Tony is.
Tony Krohn [00:01:47]:
Yeah.
Tony Krohn [00:01:47]:
So I am small town Nebraska kid, born and raised town of about 1500 people.
Tony Krohn [00:01:55]:
Everyone knew everyone.
Tony Krohn [00:01:57]:
Everyone knew what you did last night. Everyone knew what you were probably going to do in the future.
Trina Krug [00:02:02]:
I grew up in one of those.
Tony Krohn [00:02:05]:
Everything.
Tony Krohn [00:02:06]:
Yeah, it was incredible. I loved that I was able to go to the gas station and leave my car unlocked and running when I ran inside or go to the bank and I could call them and they knew it was me and I didn’t have to go through this laundry list.
Tony Krohn [00:02:21]:
Of who I was answering all these questions.
Tony Krohn [00:02:24]:
It’s just that camaraderie and very close feeling. Loved it. But I ended up going to chiropractic school in Kansas City and then I’m currently in Nashville, Tennessee. So I always joke that I’m a city kid who was born in a small town. I love being in the city. Just a fast paced and literally having everything at your disposal is what I love. And then I’m not on the beach, but I’m closer to the beach than Nebraska where I was very landlocked and now I’m like a six hour drive. So I just feel myself inching closer and closer to the beach where my happy place is.
Tony Krohn [00:03:06]:
But yeah, I’ve been a chiropractor for.
Tony Krohn [00:03:08]:
Three years, graduated right at the beginning of the pandemic.
Tony Krohn [00:03:12]:
So it was chaos.
Tony Krohn [00:03:14]:
Didn’t even have my graduation, but thankfully I had a job lined up down south of Tennessee. So I worked as an associate chiropractor for three years and then am currently on my own. So kind of what led to that whole transition maybe coming a chiropractor to working for someone, to opening my own.
Tony Krohn [00:03:36]:
So in high school, everyone has this magic story where they have some injury.
Tony Krohn [00:03:44]:
They go get adjusted and boom, they’re like healed.
Tony Krohn [00:03:47]:
I didn’t have that, which you don’t.
Tony Krohn [00:03:50]:
Have to have that to go into whatever profession you’re in. But I knew that I wanted something in the health field. I was between doctor, chiropractor, physical therapist.
Tony Krohn [00:04:04]:
Just something to help the human body.
Tony Krohn [00:04:07]:
So I ended up working for a chiropractor both in high school and undergrad. So, I mean, you kind of get the picture. I just was kind of placed into the right situation, right time, right situation.
Tony Krohn [00:04:18]:
Thing still was kind of tinkering back.
Tony Krohn [00:04:22]:
And forth with physical therapy chiropractor and then ultimately just decided chiropractic was right.
Tony Krohn [00:04:29]:
So moved down to Kansas City, attended.
Tony Krohn [00:04:32]:
School there for about four years. The thing what people don’t understand is how rigorous of an education chiropractic is. They think it’s you’re just getting adjusted. All you need to know are the bones and how to pop them.
Tony Krohn [00:04:47]:
But that’s completely far from the truth.
Trina Krug [00:04:51]:
I would hope there’s a lot more to it than that.
Tony Krohn [00:04:53]:
Oh my gosh, my neck in their yeah, exactly. You have hours and hours of radiology, so learning, X ray, MRI, CT, you have the biochemistry, histology pathology. You just have a really comprehensive education.
Tony Krohn [00:05:09]:
Because while some chiropractors are just adjusting.
Tony Krohn [00:05:13]:
You and sending you on your merry.
Tony Krohn [00:05:15]:
Way, you have to know the nerves.
Tony Krohn [00:05:17]:
The vessels, all the muscles, how the cells integrate.
Tony Krohn [00:05:20]:
You have to know everything.
Trina Krug [00:05:22]:
Do you get any nutrition training?
Tony Krohn [00:05:24]:
We get a lot.
Trina Krug [00:05:25]:
Okay, that’s awesome.
Tony Krohn [00:05:26]:
Yeah. And this isn’t to say that we’re.
Tony Krohn [00:05:30]:
Better than the medical profession, but we actually get a little bit more nutrition.
Tony Krohn [00:05:34]:
Training than your traditional MD.
Trina Krug [00:05:36]:
I don’t think they get very much.
Tony Krohn [00:05:38]:
Yeah, they don’t get much at all. So thankfully we do get a good history or a comprehensive background of that nutrition.
Tony Krohn [00:05:48]:
Now some people take that even deeper.
Tony Krohn [00:05:51]:
And go into a more nutrition specialty or functional medicine to where they are.
Tony Krohn [00:05:56]:
Going deeper with it. So that’s what’s cool about chiropractic, kind.
Tony Krohn [00:06:00]:
Of like the medical field, how you can specialize. Same thing with chiropractors. You can do sports, pediatrics, family health, nutrition. But in school I kind of had.
Tony Krohn [00:06:10]:
That more sports mind.
Tony Krohn [00:06:15]:
I was introduced to another Nebraska local who ran what’s called Motion Palpation Club. And he kind of took me under his wing and kind of showed me.
Tony Krohn [00:06:25]:
How the body is just so unique.
Tony Krohn [00:06:29]:
And the adjustment is going to help.
Tony Krohn [00:06:31]:
A lot of people, but one, some.
Tony Krohn [00:06:34]:
People may not want to be adjusted.
Tony Krohn [00:06:36]:
So then what do you do?
Tony Krohn [00:06:37]:
Or they can’t be adjusted, and we got to find something else to help them move better, feel better, live better. So that whole functional model really hit home with me. Works super well with the athlete or really anyone who is trying to make an overall lifestyle shift, because we’re addressing so many different components with the body that.
Tony Krohn [00:07:02]:
A lot of traditional in and.
Tony Krohn [00:07:05]:
Out chiropractors or traditional medicine isn’t addressing.
Tony Krohn [00:07:10]:
So I spent those four years in.
Tony Krohn [00:07:13]:
Chiropractic school every weekend at different seminars.
Tony Krohn [00:07:16]:
So once I hit the road and I was in my job, I knew.
Tony Krohn [00:07:22]:
The treatment aspect and could recognize different presentations and what to do. So then I could soak in all of the business information and what it looked like to run a practice market yourself, I could wear that hat under someone else’s practice.
Tony Krohn [00:07:41]:
So, needless to say, that’s kind of.
Tony Krohn [00:07:46]:
How chiropractic came into my life. No really rhyme or reason, but I knew I wanted to help the body. Holistically and non pharmacologically, that was the biggest thing. Now during those three years that I was an associate chiropractor, so working for someone close to downtown Nashville, I started noticing more of a trend with my patients.
Tony Krohn [00:08:14]:
And I don’t think this is by.
Tony Krohn [00:08:16]:
Accident at all, and I’ll get into this in a second, but I started.
Tony Krohn [00:08:19]:
Noticing deeper root cause or more emotionally.
Tony Krohn [00:08:29]:
Based reasons why they were coming to see me or why they weren’t getting better.
Tony Krohn [00:08:36]:
So now I’ll circle back.
Tony Krohn [00:08:38]:
In chiropractic school, I was exposed to.
Tony Krohn [00:08:41]:
A chiropractor who did a lot of this emotional type work in his chiropractic.
Tony Krohn [00:08:47]:
Practice, addressing these trapped emotions, these hidden.
Tony Krohn [00:08:52]:
Toxins that were causing a lot of.
Tony Krohn [00:08:56]:
Issues for the patient that wasn’t being.
Tony Krohn [00:08:59]:
Discussed with any other provider. So he would work on me a.
Tony Krohn [00:09:03]:
Couple of times and we would release some emotions or work on some other things. And the light bulb just kind of connected for me. Yes, all the sports stuff that I.
Tony Krohn [00:09:13]:
Was doing getting better, all of the.
Tony Krohn [00:09:16]:
Adjustment stuff getting better, but there’s still that kind of underlying thing that’s like, bubbling under the surface that wasn’t touched.
Tony Krohn [00:09:23]:
That I knew once addressed, it would just allow deeper healing.
Trina Krug [00:09:30]:
Yeah.
Tony Krohn [00:09:31]:
So as I was continuing in practice, I started picking up on a lot.
Tony Krohn [00:09:36]:
Of these trends with my patients, that there were different life instances.
Tony Krohn [00:09:48]:
And how I picked up on that, I’m traditionally empath.
Tony Krohn [00:09:53]:
I’m very intuitive.
Tony Krohn [00:09:54]:
I knew when something was off, when.
Tony Krohn [00:09:57]:
They would come in the room.
Tony Krohn [00:10:02]:
As.
Tony Krohn [00:10:02]:
Simple as they just have that look in their face that they’ve just been.
Tony Krohn [00:10:06]:
Like, had a terrible day, or they physically tell me, like, yeah, this just isn’t going good. I kept on picking up on that and started to want to dive deeper into that healing now because I worked.
Tony Krohn [00:10:25]:
For someone and he had this practice built for 15 plus years.
Tony Krohn [00:10:30]:
I knew that I couldn’t fully immerse.
Tony Krohn [00:10:33]:
Myself in that and bring that into his practice because to respect him in his name, that’s kind of newer and not as common. It was just easier for me to.
Tony Krohn [00:10:45]:
Continue on my own.
Trina Krug [00:10:47]:
You couldn’t spread your wings, per se.
Tony Krohn [00:10:49]:
Exactly. So to summarize, everything I have really.
Tony Krohn [00:10:55]:
Been drawn to finding deeper issues that will bring more healing than what whatever profession traditional means is doing.
Tony Krohn [00:11:09]:
So that’s where crohn functional wellness comes in, is me addressing those hidden toxins.
Tony Krohn [00:11:16]:
Those traumas, to allow my patient to heal.
Trina Krug [00:11:20]:
And what’s interesting about that is there’s a lot of people that view the field of chiropractic care alternative, right? And then you kind of are taking that and then taking it even further into the alternative field. And what’s really interesting about this conversation is this morning I had a conversation about someone who does body code work. And she was telling me how she got into it was she saw a chiropractor who did body code. And emotion code and she was just floored at what released in her body. And she completely shifted gears in her whole life and went into full study of that. But it was a chiropractor who went above and beyond and really dove into the emotional side of it and the emotional and energetic healing that really changed her life.
Tony Krohn [00:12:18]:
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m doing. Emotion and body code.
Tony Krohn [00:12:22]:
So.
Tony Krohn [00:12:22]:
Dr. Bradley Nelson. He’s a chiropractor. He also picked up on these emotional responses or trapped emotions that his patients were coming in with. And once he started releasing these trapped emotions, patients were starting to get better. Those things that weren’t getting better with traditional care started getting better. So he’s like, okay, there’s definitely something to this.
Tony Krohn [00:12:48]:
And while a lot of this energy.
Tony Krohn [00:12:53]:
Alternative medicine has been around for so long, it’s more recently being discovered and understood and started to be more accepted.
Tony Krohn [00:13:07]:
Because I think the past 1015 years.
Tony Krohn [00:13:12]:
And even more so recently, people have.
Tony Krohn [00:13:14]:
Been wanting more alternative pharmacological ways to support the body.
Tony Krohn [00:13:22]:
Because there was a time when we didn’t have medicine. And what did they do? They had to find their way around it.
Tony Krohn [00:13:29]:
Now, thank God that there’s advances in medicine.
Tony Krohn [00:13:32]:
And if you have a fracture or something, then absolutely we have the right tools to deal with that. But a lot of things can be solved with this energy work or more holistic healing that doesn’t involve putting something in your body.
Tony Krohn [00:13:47]:
It’s more taking it the other way.
Tony Krohn [00:13:50]:
And what can you do to support.
Tony Krohn [00:13:53]:
Your body to help thrive in the environment we live in?
Trina Krug [00:13:56]:
What I always say is if I get in a car accident and I break my ribs and I break my arm, I am really thankful for Western medicine for that acute emergency care. And so there’s a time and a place for all of it, right? But much more of these chronic issues and these things that are more lifestyle and lasting. That’s where I think western medicine falls short because it doesn’t address energy, it doesn’t address emotion. And emotion is one of those things where if you look a lot of these more Eastern traditions and a lot of alternative medicines, there’s a thought and an emotion behind everything, wrapped up in everything, whether it’s an illness, disease, ailment, there’s a thought and an emotion behind all of it. So those modalities that actually take the time to kind of feel into the energetic side of it, especially the emotions, I mean, there’s so much there that can help with that release and that true healing because you’re getting down into the root cause really in a lot of ways.
Tony Krohn [00:15:01]:
Yeah.
Tony Krohn [00:15:01]:
So you’re speaking to the body at the cellular level and if you break.
Tony Krohn [00:15:06]:
It down and look what we’re made of.
Tony Krohn [00:15:09]:
We’re just energetic beings. Cells are constantly vibrating or they’re not vibrating, communicating with each other to either bring healing or bring disease.
Tony Krohn [00:15:21]:
So I like that point that you.
Tony Krohn [00:15:23]:
Made that there’s a different level of energy attached to different emotions. So I actually was in a presentation at the time of recording today where we talked about the power of forgiveness and healing. So in David Hawkins book Power versus Force, I don’t know if you’ve read that or if any of your listeners have there’s a chart of emotions that.
Tony Krohn [00:15:48]:
Have different frequencies to them.
Tony Krohn [00:15:50]:
So you have like, enlightenment, joy, love, all of these positive emotions that are at the top that we should be feeling. And that’s where the cells are in harmony with each other and living their best life. And then you have things very low, like guilt, shame, some of the lowest emotional frequencies that human can experience. And that’s where that stagnation or that disease. If we’re holding on and harboring these negative emotions, then we’re not allowing the body and all of its processes to flow and work together. And I think that’s where traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture really gets it in the meridians, is trying to keep that flow and that balance between all the different systems. And that’s what I like about body code. It’s a way to tap into those energy systems, the meridians, the chakras, the aura, the magnetic field, and then all.
Tony Krohn [00:16:50]:
Of the other triggers that can be causing those issues to be stuck or.
Tony Krohn [00:16:59]:
Not vibrating as it should.
Trina Krug [00:17:01]:
And another way to think about it for people that are particularly new to this topic, especially of the fact that we’re all energy, is I wish I knew the specific statistic for this. Maybe you do, but our body is generating new cells all the time. I don’t know how many per second that it generates, but it’s a lot, right? Constantly creating new cells. And cells have memory. Cells are complete energy, right? Almost complete. 99.99% energy. So those cells that are created, they’re created in the environment of which our energetic and emotional body exists at that moment in time. Right? So how we can think about it is we are either creating a body in harmony or disharmony, right? It all depends on what our emotional state is. And so that’s one way to think about it, of like our body holding on to an energy or a vibration, like if we’re vibrating at a higher level because we’re feeling things or highers and not good or bad, but just a higher level when we’re feeling things like gratitude and all the wonderful things you said. And then when we’re also in those emotions of anxiety and shame and whatnot, we’re vibrating at a lower level. And so what’s the environment to which we are creating a new body, new cells in our body?
Tony Krohn [00:18:24]:
Yeah, absolutely. It goes one our own body. How is our mental chatter with ourself? Or how is that from other people to us?
Tony Krohn [00:18:41]:
How are we taking that in? But then it’s also the environment around us. How is your home like, are you exposed to toxins? Is your home cluttered and creating this space where healing can’t happen? Do you live in mold? So you’re exposed to these mycotoxins that are suppressing your immune system. So it’s all these different components that.
Tony Krohn [00:19:02]:
Really the trapped emotions have kind of the final say of what’s happening in.
Tony Krohn [00:19:10]:
The body and what’s even more like.
Tony Krohn [00:19:13]:
Just can nerd out about it.
Tony Krohn [00:19:15]:
But the subconscious mind is where all of that is stored.
Tony Krohn [00:19:21]:
Some people don’t even know what they don’t know. And the thing most of us don’t.
Trina Krug [00:19:26]:
Know what we don’t know. Right?
Tony Krohn [00:19:28]:
Yeah, exactly. And the subconscious mind knows it all.
Tony Krohn [00:19:31]:
So it knows that this red blood.
Tony Krohn [00:19:34]:
Cell has this whatever with it, or these cells aren’t communicating directly. So our energy levels are low. And when we have a traumatic event.
Tony Krohn [00:19:48]:
Or some emotional event and we don’t process like it should, those two things combine.
Tony Krohn [00:19:57]:
And that’s where I believe a lot of that disease happens. And a lot of those chronic issues happen, is when the emotion, the trapped emotion that we don’t express meets the physical issue from external and then they create this power force that becomes stuck.
Tony Krohn [00:20:14]:
In the body and creates the issue.
Trina Krug [00:20:16]:
Right. I fully believe that disease and illness in the body is a physical manifestation of the energy, right? And some of that stored energy. As adults, we process trauma in a lot of different ways, right? But as children, when we’re met with trauma, we don’t have the tools yet all the time. Right. And so what often happens is it does get stored in our body somewhere. Somewhere. And the subconscious brain, then that creates programming from that and then that energy stays there. And then we grow into adults and have to start a learning process.
Tony Krohn [00:21:00]:
Yeah, absolutely. A lot of the issues, if you’re.
Tony Krohn [00:21:05]:
An adult listening to this, that you have, whether pain wise can date back to something that, say, happened when you’re.
Tony Krohn [00:21:12]:
Five or six years old because you were out in public and your parents scolded you for throwing a fit. Well, in a sense, we want some normalcy or you want your kid to behave in public, but when we don’t.
Tony Krohn [00:21:34]:
Allow them to freely express themselves, that’s where a lot of that trapped type of emotion comes.
Tony Krohn [00:21:41]:
Now, I’m not saying if you can’t.
Tony Krohn [00:21:43]:
Let your kids scream and run wild and throw this massive fit in Walmart because they’re not getting a Snickers bar, but there is something to be said.
Tony Krohn [00:21:51]:
About how we address that to the.
Tony Krohn [00:21:55]:
Kid and they don’t know because they’re so young. Or the parents don’t know how to teach proper emotional regulation in a kid.
Tony Krohn [00:22:04]:
And so that can manifest itself a lot later in life.
Tony Krohn [00:22:08]:
People don’t think that’s even possible until they have this profound interaction or this.
Tony Krohn [00:22:14]:
Great healing, because they come in with knee pain and it’s because some event.
Tony Krohn [00:22:20]:
In their childhood and we release it and then they don’t have knee pain.
Tony Krohn [00:22:23]:
Anymore, or whatever it is they’re coming in with. It’s wild, it’s all connected and it.
Tony Krohn [00:22:30]:
Makes it so complicated, but it’s so.
Tony Krohn [00:22:32]:
Fun to just think about all the little intricacies that the body is doing.
Trina Krug [00:22:38]:
And some of these events from childhood can be completely benign events. But depending upon how old the child is and the tools that they have to be able to process a given moment or the tone in which something was said can be, again as an adult, a very benign moment. A specific example that I have worked on as a parent is if my child makes a mistake. I have four boys who are very rambunctious and lots of breaking things and just accurate, right? And what my reaction used to be is if someone does something or it’s a mistake, it’s like, rather than one of my son’s name is Ronan, rather than be like Ronan, it’s like I catch myself and I’m like, it’s okay, honey, it was a mistake. Why don’t you help me clean it up? There’s just a difference in response, and it’s so benign and subtle. But you’re right, like these things in some given moment. And there’s no blame on a parent because, again, it’s a benign moment. But developmentally, for a child, they all process things differently and they hold things differently.
Tony Krohn [00:23:50]:
I mean, it’s the same thing if a kid is running on the sidewalk and they fall down. If the parent has this grandeur reaction, like, oh my gosh. Runs after him, picks them, scoops him up. Are you okay?
Tony Krohn [00:24:04]:
Yeah.
Tony Krohn [00:24:04]:
The kid is going to have a meltdown because they see their parent have this opposite end reaction. Whereas if the parent would have just.
Tony Krohn [00:24:12]:
Been like, hey, it’s okay, get back up. Like, keep moving, it’s okay.
Tony Krohn [00:24:17]:
Nine times out of ten, the kid wouldn’t cry.
Trina Krug [00:24:19]:
Yeah, I always stay silent in those moments.
Tony Krohn [00:24:22]:
Yeah, I wait first. Yeah. Let them kind of figure it out on their own.
Trina Krug [00:24:30]:
Yeah, there’s so many things. So let’s get into slightly let’s move this into the conversation of mental health, because I know that’s something that you’re very passionate about and so kind of take us through a little bit of how this evolved even more for you in terms of why that particular topic is so near and dear to your heart in your practice and what you do.
Tony Krohn [00:24:54]:
Yeah.
Tony Krohn [00:24:55]:
So I think it all comes back to how we.
Tony Krohn [00:25:01]:
Process and work through our emotions.
Tony Krohn [00:25:06]:
So, myself, battling with depression, mental health.
Tony Krohn [00:25:10]:
I mean, as far as I as.
Tony Krohn [00:25:13]:
Long as I know.
Tony Krohn [00:25:16]:
It is unique because with the emotion code, you can pair up different life events when you’re.
Tony Krohn [00:25:25]:
Running through the protocol of it.
Tony Krohn [00:25:27]:
And then it kind of starts to.
Tony Krohn [00:25:30]:
Open up.
Tony Krohn [00:25:33]:
The window of what happened.
Tony Krohn [00:25:35]:
During that time frame to what caused you to repress those emotions and that.
Tony Krohn [00:25:41]:
Tie between itself to where because depression is you’re living in the past in a way. So how you’ve held on to or just internalized and allowed that mental chatter.
Tony Krohn [00:25:59]:
To continue to grow louder and louder.
Tony Krohn [00:26:01]:
To where it’s deafening, that’s been really just near and dear to my heart.
Tony Krohn [00:26:10]:
To help other people through that journey, specifically for men, too. And not to push women aside, but.
Tony Krohn [00:26:20]:
Taken more of a male approach because it’s common as young men that we.
Tony Krohn [00:26:28]:
Are not supposed to cry. Hold in your emotions. You need to be tough.
Tony Krohn [00:26:34]:
And there’s some sense to that, like.
Tony Krohn [00:26:36]:
We said earlier, having some control of your emotion.
Tony Krohn [00:26:39]:
But when you aren’t allowed the opportunity.
Tony Krohn [00:26:43]:
To grieve or show your emotion or.
Tony Krohn [00:26:46]:
Work through that, that’s where that becomes.
Tony Krohn [00:26:51]:
Even louder in the mind.
Tony Krohn [00:26:52]:
And that’s causing a lot of the.
Tony Krohn [00:26:56]:
Mental health issues that we’re finding today.
Tony Krohn [00:26:59]:
Another piece of it as I go.
Tony Krohn [00:27:02]:
Down the body code route is there’s.
Tony Krohn [00:27:05]:
So many different layers of the onion to depression.
Tony Krohn [00:27:11]:
So when we were talking about this.
Tony Krohn [00:27:13]:
A while back, traditional medicine will throw.
Tony Krohn [00:27:19]:
An SSRI at it. Now, for the right person, 1000%. I’m not saying that that medication shouldn’t.
Tony Krohn [00:27:25]:
Be used right, but it shouldn’t be the first stop for every single person.
Tony Krohn [00:27:33]:
Because everyone has a different story. They’ve had different reasons for why they are depressed.
Tony Krohn [00:27:39]:
It could be because of some past.
Tony Krohn [00:27:42]:
Trauma where they’re grieving. It could be from, like I talked about earlier, mold in a home is a big reason because it’s suppressing the immune system. Their neurotransmitters can’t fire.
Tony Krohn [00:27:53]:
Thus they’re having those depressive symptoms, other.
Tony Krohn [00:27:58]:
Toxins in the environment, the things that we put in our body, the lack of exercise.
Tony Krohn [00:28:03]:
So really taking a holistic approach to this because there are so many layers to mental health that like I said.
Tony Krohn [00:28:14]:
Earlier, that SSRI isn’t touching all of those different components. Which body code again? It’s not exhaustive, but it is addressing.
Tony Krohn [00:28:24]:
A lot of those different issues to find that root cause.
Tony Krohn [00:28:28]:
So then we can start to heal, and then all those other things will.
Tony Krohn [00:28:31]:
Work that much better.
Trina Krug [00:28:33]:
Right. So you probably mostly answered this question that I wanted to ask you just now, but there might be more to it. So I want to ask it anyway because it was just something I thought of right when you first started talking about this. But where do you think Western approach in Western medicine is failing? People with mental health issues and people with depression. With depression specifically. One of the things you said is like, here’s a pill immediately without support or without investigation. And again, there’s a time and a place for everything. I don’t think either one of us are saying, don’t take the pill because every situation is different. Right, but where do you think that Western medicine as a whole is failing mental health situations?
Tony Krohn [00:29:21]:
I think there’s two things. There’s definitely more, but two things that I want to hit on. One is I don’t think we’re taking the time to get to know the person in front of us, so we’re not taking the time to go through a comprehensive subjective history.
Tony Krohn [00:29:36]:
So talking about their past, talking about.
Tony Krohn [00:29:40]:
Everything that they’re exposed to, so you.
Tony Krohn [00:29:43]:
Can get that kind of lay the.
Tony Krohn [00:29:46]:
Puzzle out flat and start to see.
Tony Krohn [00:29:48]:
All of what the final picture could.
Tony Krohn [00:29:51]:
Be before putting the pieces together because.
Tony Krohn [00:29:54]:
You want to know potentially could be a genetic factor.
Tony Krohn [00:29:58]:
It could be all these different things that I mentioned earlier.
Tony Krohn [00:30:05]:
So, yeah, I think I’ll just close.
Tony Krohn [00:30:07]:
That off, is we just aren’t taking enough time to get to know the person. It’s very in and out. It’s not individualized at all. And then I think the second one.
Tony Krohn [00:30:18]:
Which is a blessing and a curse in some way, the evolution of social media is like just plaguing the development of just the brain in general for a lot of our youth, but it’s.
Tony Krohn [00:30:36]:
Also setting unrealistic standards on how people’s lives should be.
Tony Krohn [00:30:42]:
So they’re constantly inundated with all of.
Tony Krohn [00:30:46]:
These famous people living this amazing life.
Tony Krohn [00:30:50]:
And they see that and they want that.
Tony Krohn [00:30:54]:
So they’re trying to do whatever it is and going away from their beliefs or they’re starting to question their own why.
Tony Krohn [00:31:01]:
And it’s all because they’re seeing this.
Tony Krohn [00:31:06]:
Beautiful life that’s being portrayed by someone who they don’t even know, when in reality and usually on the other end of that, that person is struggling just as much.
Tony Krohn [00:31:17]:
So it’s just this toxic loop of seeing someone. You see that they have it better.
Tony Krohn [00:31:25]:
Than you or you think they have it better than you, but they don’t.
Tony Krohn [00:31:28]:
And it’s just yeah, I think a combination of we’re stuck in a they have this I want this kind of unhealthy loop, plus we’re not taking that comprehensive subjective history.
Tony Krohn [00:31:48]:
And the two can easily mesh and really?
Tony Krohn [00:31:51]:
Just like I said, it all comes down to do you take enough time.
Tony Krohn [00:31:57]:
To really get to know who’s sitting.
Tony Krohn [00:31:58]:
In front of you.
Trina Krug [00:32:01]:
I am so glad that you mentioned social media because as an adult, I think we feel the same things a lot of times with respect to social media. And we have life skills. We might not have all the life skills that we can have. We have life skills. And so when we struggle with that as an adult, then imagine what that does to a child. So I have four boys, as I said. My youngest one is almost ten and my oldest one is 22. Wow, I can’t even believe that. So my oldest three are basically 18 to 22. So they kind of mostly missed this whole social media thing. Not completely like they like Snapchat it and whatever else as they’re older, not certainly not when they were younger, but they missed what it is right now and I’m thankful for that. Whereas my nine year old, when COVID and the shutdown and everything happened and he was now at home as a first grader and second grader, or for half his kindergarten year, all of his first grade year into his second grade year, not able to see his friends and online was his only way to be social. And it started this interesting thing that I hadn’t experienced with my older children, but what I found with him, he likes to watch YouTube shorts and he’s only allowed to watch it when I’m around. But what I found is and he likes to watch sports, so it’s all like YouTube shorts on sports teams and whatnot, but it’s like shiny new syndrome. Shiny new toy syndrome I call it, because it’s like he’s watching all these basketball things or baseball things or pitfiper sunglasses. It’s this constant, like, I want that, I want that, I want to be like that. And I can see it in him even though it’s not a big part of his life. But it’s this like, I want to be like that. And then also the shortness of social media now with all the scrolling and all the YouTube shorts and the reels and all that kind of stuff, the attention span of just this constant switching, I think that’s just wrecking kids. I don’t even know what the right word. I mean, attention span is the correct word, but it goes so much beyond that.
Tony Krohn [00:34:26]:
Yeah, I mean, like I mentioned earlier, the Neurotransmitter system is just so unregulated at this point.
Tony Krohn [00:34:36]:
And the developers of all these social.
Tony Krohn [00:34:40]:
Media platforms, if you really get into it, they don’t allow their kids on these social media platforms because they know what it’s doing to their minds. And it’s that quick dopamine hit. It’s no different than walking into a casino and the flashing lights and all the sounds.
Tony Krohn [00:34:58]:
The world has just been so designed for that quick dopamine hit and. Then cool, we have that.
Tony Krohn [00:35:10]:
So what’s the next step up? What can I do next? What can I do next? And it keeps on going and going until you get to that point where.
Tony Krohn [00:35:18]:
It’S like, I either need to keep chasing it or I’ve literally I’m exhausted. Like that’s where that spiral, that depression.
Tony Krohn [00:35:30]:
Starts to set in because it’s like.
Tony Krohn [00:35:32]:
Okay, I just binged 8 hours.
Tony Krohn [00:35:36]:
I can’t imagine talk and it’s like.
Tony Krohn [00:35:40]:
There goes my day. Of course you’re going to be, I.
Tony Krohn [00:35:43]:
Mean, not major depressive disorder where some people are truly struggling with that, but it’s going to set in some reality.
Tony Krohn [00:35:49]:
Like, okay, I need to really check into what I’m doing and being more productive with what I’m doing. So yeah, it’s just that the things that we’re getting dopamine from now is way different than what we did, say.
Tony Krohn [00:36:10]:
When we were kids, right?
Tony Krohn [00:36:12]:
I mean, I’m 29, seven years older.
Tony Krohn [00:36:16]:
Than your oldest boy. My dopamine hits were going to the pool, riding bikes to my friends, playing outside in the dirt.
Tony Krohn [00:36:25]:
I didn’t have Instagram or Facebook.
Trina Krug [00:36:29]:
We didn’t have cell phones when I was a kid.
Tony Krohn [00:36:31]:
I didn’t have any of that. To have that quick interaction.
Tony Krohn [00:36:37]:
And also like, us sitting here face to face.
Tony Krohn [00:36:41]:
And we are in completely different parts.
Trina Krug [00:36:43]:
Of.
Tony Krohn [00:36:46]:
Everything is so instant.
Tony Krohn [00:36:47]:
And there’s going to come a point.
Tony Krohn [00:36:53]:
Where it’s like, okay, we’re exhausted. Our body can’t handle that anymore. Yeah.
Trina Krug [00:37:00]:
So let’s talk about for someone who is experiencing mental health challenges and really doesn’t know where to turn, because maybe they have also found that traditional medicine just isn’t working with them. Or maybe they want to explore something different, more along the lines of what you’re talking about. So what are some of the biggest benefits that you’ve seen working with people in this arena? With using things like the emotion code and body code and working with the energy and emotions underneath.
Tony Krohn [00:37:32]:
Yeah. So a big one is controlling and experiencing your emotions. So when you have an emotion come in, allowing yourself the time to sit with that emotion and process breathe through that emotion. If you have your phone or a.
Tony Krohn [00:37:55]:
Paper handy to write kind of how you’re feeling during that emotion and it sounds like it would take five to ten minutes. No, this only has to take like.
Tony Krohn [00:38:04]:
30 seconds to a minute.
Tony Krohn [00:38:05]:
Just kind of think through that emotion.
Tony Krohn [00:38:08]:
But don’t make a decision off of that emotion.
Tony Krohn [00:38:10]:
That’s something that I want to address too.
Tony Krohn [00:38:13]:
Is that’s important?
Tony Krohn [00:38:14]:
We’re getting to the point where people are just making these crazy emotional decisions and emotions fluctuate. They change all the time.
Tony Krohn [00:38:22]:
So allowing yourself to sit with that emotion and feel it and express it.
Tony Krohn [00:38:29]:
And then continue on.
Tony Krohn [00:38:31]:
So then when you’re faced with, say.
Tony Krohn [00:38:34]:
A similar instance in the future, you.
Tony Krohn [00:38:37]:
Don’T have some Dysregulated response. So I’d say that’s a big one.
Tony Krohn [00:38:43]:
And even like gratitude journaling that’s something that I’ve been doing every day is when I wake up in the morning, I find three things to be grateful for before the day gets started. So I know going into the day.
Tony Krohn [00:38:56]:
That I either have something to look forward to or there’s at least one thing that I can be grateful for.
Tony Krohn [00:39:04]:
Because that’s one of the highest vibrational energies is gratitude. So shifting your body and feeling that.
Tony Krohn [00:39:11]:
In your body to allow that healing to happen.
Tony Krohn [00:39:15]:
So I’d say that’s a really big component.
Tony Krohn [00:39:18]:
The next one physically. So getting sunlight, that is huge.
Tony Krohn [00:39:25]:
The vitamin D for the synthesis of.
Tony Krohn [00:39:27]:
Those hormones, movement, it doesn’t mean you.
Tony Krohn [00:39:32]:
Have to go to the gym and do some crazy CrossFit workout. It could just be going for a.
Tony Krohn [00:39:37]:
Walk or doing a couple of stretches.
Tony Krohn [00:39:40]:
Something like that, just to keep the.
Tony Krohn [00:39:42]:
Blood flow going, keep the body moving. And then the other physical one that I’ll mention kind of covers a different.
Tony Krohn [00:39:54]:
I look at it with four different pillars. You have physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. So another big one physically is sleep.
Tony Krohn [00:40:03]:
Sleep is so important and it’s so underutilized. We need at least 7 hours of sleep a night. Again, that’s on the very low end.
Tony Krohn [00:40:17]:
We should be getting at least 8 hours of sleep because during the night, that’s when we are processing and repairing tissues, processing emotions, allowing the body to heal. And if it’s disrupted because we’re going to bed late, if we eat a meal late, if we’ve been drinking, if we’re exposed to light, that’s all disrupting our sleep cycle. And so we’re not getting that full recovery when we sleep.
Tony Krohn [00:40:45]:
And usually if you don’t get that.
Tony Krohn [00:40:48]:
Sleep, you wake up the next morning.
Tony Krohn [00:40:50]:
And it’s just this endless cycle.
Tony Krohn [00:40:52]:
I’m tired, I’m going to sugar, I’m going to binge this show on TV. And then it’s just this endless feedback loop.
Tony Krohn [00:41:01]:
So yeah, I would say gratitude, getting.
Tony Krohn [00:41:08]:
Outside sunlight, some sort of movement, whatever you like, that’s the biggest thing.
Tony Krohn [00:41:12]:
Find something that you like, what I like, you won’t like, what someone else won’t like. And then sleep. And then I would say another big one.
Tony Krohn [00:41:25]:
And this kind of combines the spiritual and kind of the mental emotional one is community.
Tony Krohn [00:41:33]:
That’S been tough the past.
Tony Krohn [00:41:36]:
Three years with COVID because of isolation and the numbers. I mean, we don’t even have the numbers of the increase in depression and everything that’s going to happen. And my heart breaks for when we.
Tony Krohn [00:41:49]:
Find those numbers because of the reality.
Tony Krohn [00:41:52]:
That’S coming from it.
Tony Krohn [00:41:56]:
Healing happens when you can walk with.
Tony Krohn [00:42:01]:
Someone through that healing.
Tony Krohn [00:42:03]:
And when we isolate ourselves, we don’t.
Tony Krohn [00:42:07]:
One, challenge ourselves to have that conversation with someone, to let them know that we’re struggling.
Tony Krohn [00:42:14]:
And two.
Tony Krohn [00:42:17]:
If that person, like, if you already trust that person to be able to confide in them like, hey, I’m struggling with depression, or there’s these.
Tony Krohn [00:42:25]:
Thoughts that I’m having that person in my eyes and biblically, spiritually would want to take that on with you. They want to attack that head on.
Tony Krohn [00:42:42]:
To help you get through that.
Tony Krohn [00:42:44]:
That’s that true best friend that you.
Tony Krohn [00:42:46]:
Have or that community aspect to find.
Tony Krohn [00:42:50]:
Someone to walk with you through what you’re going through.
Tony Krohn [00:42:54]:
And I get it, it’s so hard.
Tony Krohn [00:42:56]:
To find that person or that group.
Tony Krohn [00:43:01]:
Especially the past three years, because.
Tony Krohn [00:43:05]:
Some people, they just are happy now being.
Tony Krohn [00:43:08]:
In their home and not going out.
Tony Krohn [00:43:11]:
But that community piece is huge because.
Tony Krohn [00:43:17]:
You’Re just like pushing yourself daily to interact with people. You’re having that connection with people and.
Tony Krohn [00:43:26]:
That’S a big component I think, that we’re missing.
Trina Krug [00:43:29]:
I think community is something that we have slowly been moving away from for a long time. Look at our housing, right? That’s the biggest thing of like we’re not living in these I mean, there’s lots of different ways to have community in terms of how the houses are range or whatnot. But just in general it’s just this big sprawl and there’s distance and there’s all these things that we’re just not living in community the way that we used to. I wrote something down that I wanted to circle back with when you were talking because I think it’s so important when you were talking about just kind of breathing into and feeling into the moment when you’re feeling something. And I wanted to add to that and say sometimes when we do that and we kind of like, okay, I’m feeling a certain way, let me just start breathing and let me feel in my body where it is. There’s this thought of, okay, now I want to get rid of it, right? And it’s not about wanting to get rid of it. It’s about sitting with it and loving yourself in that moment. Loving yourself with it in that moment. That’s a piece that I found that can also be transformational of just acceptance of who you are in this moment. There’s no need to be something different or to feel something different because you will get to all those places and you already are those places within, right? You’re just getting to that place. And so just sitting with the feeling and loving yourself in that moment can feel hard. But it’s also something if you make a conscious choice to do it. And sometimes it is a conscious choice. Okay, I’m going to feel love, I’m going to put my arms around me. And one thing that I do actually when I’m in a moment of feeling a certain way and logically I know that it doesn’t make sense. There’s no reason for me to be feeling this way. What I do is and I explained this in one of my other podcast episodes, but it’s like I will do these meditations where I imagine myself kind of leaving my body and then I’m just like looking back down on my physical body, having this experience, right? This feeling, this emotion, this physical experience in this reality, and in that moment when I’m separated from that, and it’s not separation so much as it is me being more my spiritual self than my physical self in that moment, then I can feel more empathy and more love and send. That sounds weird, but send that to myself and just kind of wrap my big spiritual bigger than this physical body, arms around myself in that moment. And that’s more of a visualization thing. But it really does work.
Tony Krohn [00:46:22]:
Yeah, absolutely. I think the whole.
Tony Krohn [00:46:27]:
Meditation piece has a lot of intimidation around it for.
Tony Krohn [00:46:34]:
Someone who doesn’t really know one how.
Tony Krohn [00:46:38]:
To do it or, like, what it even looks like.
Tony Krohn [00:46:42]:
And it doesn’t have to be this.
Tony Krohn [00:46:46]:
Complicated monk type practice where you are. That’s what I used to think it was years. Like, you don’t it doesn’t have to be that. It can be 10 seconds of just, like, trying to quiet your mind, and.
Tony Krohn [00:47:01]:
Then if your mind goes somewhere, give yourself grace. Thank you.
Tony Krohn [00:47:05]:
But I draw that back to my.
Tony Krohn [00:47:07]:
Attention, and that’s all that meditation has to be.
Tony Krohn [00:47:10]:
It’s just recognizing that it’s okay to.
Tony Krohn [00:47:13]:
Have these different thoughts, positive, negative, intrusive, sitting with it, coming back to it, and then going about what you were doing.
Trina Krug [00:47:24]:
Yeah, and I completely agree with that. Because before I started any sort of meditative practice, I thought it was this I’m going to sit there and be like, Whatever. To me, that sounded horrible. It’s horrible. But once I really decided that I was going to commit to learning about meditation, there’s so many different kinds. You can listen to audio meditations. You can go within and find the quiet. Go for a walk. Go for a walk and just look around. And if you’re looking around at nature while you’re walking, chances are you’re not thinking about the thing in your past that you’re worried about. And so that’s such a great meditative thing to do when you’re not sure what else to do is just go for a walk and look around. And if you have nature available, that’s great. Not everybody does. But if you can go out in nature and just look, just focus.
Tony Krohn [00:48:23]:
Yeah, that’s one thing I’ve been challenging myself. Every morning when I wake up, I don’t go for my phone. I wait at least an hour. I get right outside, so I get that morning sunlight. So I naturally set that cortisol rhythm throughout the day. That natural stress response.
Tony Krohn [00:48:42]:
And I don’t bring my phone with me when I go outside. Or if I go for a 30 minutes walk over lunch, my phone doesn’t come. A couple of weeks ago, I went.
Tony Krohn [00:48:52]:
And hiked outside of Nashville a little bit. Didn’t have my headphones in.
Tony Krohn [00:48:58]:
I just had my phone in my.
Tony Krohn [00:48:59]:
Pocket just in case.
Tony Krohn [00:49:00]:
But I was experiencing nature.
Tony Krohn [00:49:03]:
It’s a little more tough for someone who lives in New York City or somewhere who doesn’t have that nature.
Tony Krohn [00:49:09]:
But getting your feet on the ground.
Tony Krohn [00:49:13]:
Seeing the sunlight.
Tony Krohn [00:49:16]:
Really does bring about healing.
Trina Krug [00:49:19]:
Yeah, I agree.
Tony Krohn [00:49:20]:
And also seeing a body of water, whatever that body of water is, also improves happiness levels. Now, it’d be awesome if we could.
Tony Krohn [00:49:29]:
All go to the beach and see that body of water, because that’s, like, one of the most grounding places on.
Tony Krohn [00:49:36]:
The planet, is next to the ocean.
Tony Krohn [00:49:38]:
Because of the negative islands coming off, you have the sand on your feet.
Tony Krohn [00:49:43]:
So if you need a reason to.
Tony Krohn [00:49:44]:
Go to the ocean, I just gave you one, but unfortunately, we can’t all just pack up and go to the ocean. But seeing something in nature to get yourself away from that screen is going to allow your body to slow down.
Tony Krohn [00:49:59]:
And allow you to sit with whatever thoughts you’re having.
Trina Krug [00:50:03]:
Yeah, absolutely. Well, do you have before we wrap up, I could sit here and talk with you all day about this stuff, but is there any last things you would like to leave our audience with today that you haven’t covered?
Tony Krohn [00:50:17]:
Yeah, I would just say give yourself some grace. The journey isn’t linear. It’s up, down, all over the place. You’re going to have really good days. You’re going to have really bad days. Make sure those bad days that you.
Tony Krohn [00:50:31]:
Have people with you in your corner.
Tony Krohn [00:50:33]:
To help you through those bad days, but then you’re also doing the other.
Tony Krohn [00:50:37]:
Stuff to fuel those bad days.
Tony Krohn [00:50:40]:
So you’re getting that sunlight, you’re drinking some good water. You’re not just sitting and kind of sulking in yourself.
Tony Krohn [00:50:48]:
But, yeah, I think the biggest thing.
Tony Krohn [00:50:50]:
Is just give yourself grace.
Tony Krohn [00:50:52]:
Not everyone needs to know your entire story, and you don’t know everyone’s entire story.
Tony Krohn [00:50:59]:
So not only giving yourself grace, but giving grace and love for those around.
Tony Krohn [00:51:02]:
You, too, will just bring healing and better energy to allow people to heal. I agree.
Trina Krug [00:51:11]:
Thank you. So, Tony, where can people find you?
Tony Krohn [00:51:14]:
Yeah, so easiest is just my instagram. Dr. Tony Crone. That’s where I post a lot of my emotion body code stuff. I have some fun posts here and there, and then if you do want to do body code or emotion code session, I just have a link in my bio that you can go and.
Tony Krohn [00:51:32]:
Click to work with me.
Trina Krug [00:51:34]:
All right, awesome. Well, Tony, thank you so much for joining me today. It was a pleasure talking with, you know, and all my wonderful listeners out there. Thank you so much for tuning into this conversation. Make sure you’re subscribed so that you don’t miss any new shows coming out, and I will see everybody next time.
Tony Krohn [00:51:52]:
Thanks, Joe.
